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Old 2006-03-13, 23:09   #1 (permalink)
Sharkedbait
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Default Making a living from online poker?

I know some of the people here are making a living from online poker.

I wonder if those of you who do could share what you do?

Do you play limit, nl, sit anf goes, large tourneys ect?

Also at what limits do you play these games.

Any and all info appreciated!!!!
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Old 2006-03-14, 16:55   #2 (permalink)
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Default RE: Making a living from online poker?

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Hi Sharkedbait-Great post as I have been wondering just that!
It seems as though it is a battle between the 'one hit in a long while' of the tournaments (but paying v.well!) vs instant cash returns of S&G's and cash tables....

A few pointers (I have been playing many of all 3!)

1)Tourneys can eat up a lot of your capital without returning anything....go for good VALUE tourneys...look at the number of entrants/prizes ratio... also look at satellites as an affordable way to enter the bigger tourneys.

2)S&G's I am unsure about as anything outside 1st & 2nd is arely worth the time input! (?easy to b unlucky an get 4th)

3)In my humble view, cash NL games are the way to go but you must be very disciplined with regards to a proper bankroll (somewhere in region of 500 times BB of chosen table) and the management of it.
Set definite targets and leave when you have achieved them.
One good method is a 'stop-loss' sytem whereby if you make say $500 you would then set a stop loss of say 40% so if at ANY TIME you drop 40% you get off the table and stop! ie $200 in this exaple....Obviously you can adjust these percentages to your own preferences.
It is almost all about management!

Good Luck whichever way you go
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Old 2006-03-15, 13:41   #3 (permalink)
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I have been playing for a living 3 years now,
you should play limit hold'em ring games,
that is the easyest and safest way to earn your daily bread, no-limit is to volatile,
I have seen even great players loose their intire bankroll and you need to be very good to suceed,
if you want to go for no-limit anyway, you better be an expert limit player first,
SNG's and Tournaments are in my opinion for loosers, those games are all about luck and timing where anybody can win, ofcourse, you need to be a great player to, sure, there are pro tournament players aswell, but they have an backed up bankroll, that is, they dont play with their own money, 500 times the buyin is to small for no-limit, I would recommend 1000 times atleast, for limit play I would say 300 big bets would be a prooper bankroll, but that asumes that you win 3 big bets each hour for limit, if you only make 1,5 bb then it's 600, it's all about your hourly expectation, you need to log your play for tousands of hours if you want to know your hourly winning rate, even your losses, I know it can be hard to log your losses, but that is a must, a normal pro limit player make about 3 big bets an hour, so if I play in a 10/20 game (20) is the big bet, I make 60 each hour, (in the long run) in one day that is 480, in a month about 14000 if I play every day for 8 hours, ofcourse I could also loose 20 an hour for several days or weeks but it all add up over time, what you need to suceed is stamina, dicipline, calmness, and you must have alot of experience playing poker, you must be able to play for hours and hours even when you are loosing badly, you can never allow your self to go on tilt or be upset by another players actions, you need to play every hand perfect even toh you are loosing,and ofcourse ,you need to know all about odds, and I dont mean to use an odds calculator, you also need to know your implied odds, reverse impied odds, your effective odds, I recommend "The Theory of Poker" book,so you can learn this, you must know your oponents, if you sit in a game where everyone is equally good, nobody will win, you must play with bad players only, game selection is very important, if you find your self going on tilt or stray from your regular staringhands after a bad beat, then you are not ready, then you need alot more playing hours, this things will come over time toh, loosing is a part of the game, people seem to think that pro players can come sit in a game and totally destroy the oposition, blszing at every pot, it is not like that, we win about 3 bb an hour over time, and that is a good figure, we dont play many hands at all, and at last I want to tell you that pokerlife isnt so glamorous at all, it can be very booring and frustrating, sometimes you loose badly for days, even weeks and it's hard all over,you will start to wonder what you are doing, you might be really worried if you will have money for the rent and food sometimes, and you need to sit for hours and hours and hours, and fold fold fold, day after day,also you can't have a bank loan cus you have no job, are you really up for that? try first at home and se how you are doing for one week, if you think its fun and interesting, then this profession might be for you, otherwice you are better off at a regular dayjob,
I say this not to be a wiceguy, but because it is the truth.
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Old 2006-03-15, 23:17   #4 (permalink)
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SNG's and Tournaments are in my opinion for loosers, those games are all about luck and timing where anybody can win, ofcourse, you need to be a great player to, sure, there are pro tournament players aswell, but they have an backed up bankroll, that is, they dont play with their own money,
This could not be further from the truth.
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Old 2006-03-18, 20:18   #5 (permalink)
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SNG player will make an ROI of 15%
Limit player makes 1.5 BB/100
NL player i don't know, maybe 6bb/100 at the higher stakes?

Average 1.5 SNG per hour.
NL/Limit table plays 100 hands per hour.

to make 10$ per hour per table, you can play:
-50$ SNG
-3/6 Limit
-1/2 NL ?

Above poster claims to make 3BB/100 or per hour at 10/20 Limit. Seems phenomenal to me. 2-3Bb is normal at the micro stakes, not at 10/20.
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Old 2006-03-25, 20:12   #6 (permalink)
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I would definitely like to know where that game is at that a pro can make 3 big bets an hour in.
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Old 2006-04-02, 22:12   #7 (permalink)
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SNG's and Tournaments are in my opinion for loosers, those games are all about luck and timing where anybody can win, ofcourse, you need to be a great player to, sure, there are pro tournament players aswell, but they have an backed up bankroll, that is, they dont play with their own money,
I think this is not entirely accurate...just as in other types of game, over time, the skilled player will show profit...the only 'tough' part is that as I said in my other post, it can be quite a while between big wins in tourneys..... sit 'n' gos can be quite profitable...especially if you play the ladders where you start with lower stake buy-in
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Old 2006-05-05, 15:46   #8 (permalink)
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Default RE: Making a living from online poker?

First. PLEASE please please use sentences

A good return for limit is 2BB/100 - this actually a very good return, anything above it says you're a damn good player.

I've been told that NL players can make more/100.

However, limit players can usually multitable more easily (though it get's more difficult as you move up) and so can possibly even up the discrepancy between the two.

Limit and NL are VERY different beasts, what you should play depends on what suits you.

Most online pro's I've heard of play limit. But... there are some well known online pro's who make very good money from sng's or mtt's. These probably take more patience as you can go a lot of games without winning anything. Imaging playing 20 big mtt's where you last a few hours in each and fail to score in any.
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Old 2006-05-21, 16:55   #9 (permalink)
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"A good return for limit is 2BB/100 - this actually a very good return, anything above it says you're a damn good player."

This confuses me a bit.. Let's say I'm playing a 5/10 limit game.. you're saying that over 100 hands if I make $20 I'm doing good?

That just can't be right...
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Old 2006-05-26, 23:40   #10 (permalink)
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I reckon you're just about hanging in there. lol

According to Lee Jones "Good" would be 2.5 big bets an hour in a live game, so if you play 33.33 hands an hour thats 7.5 BB/100.

Online thats 2.5 big bets an hour for online play since it is 2-3 times faster.

Remember this is on average not just 50 - 100 hours of play, but hundreds of hours.

Also this is for GOOD players not just slightly better than average players.

So killfishs article dosen't seem too "phenomenal". Possible yes, but i don't know how much better than just a winning player you would have to be.

Also, if you're multitabling then thats 2.5bets per hour per table if you can play multitables as good as you play one table.

So thats a POSSIBLE 10 big bets an hour.

I'm fairly new to limit so haven't put the hours in to find out for myself yet but seems possible at .50/1. At higher limits than this I don't know, the games look a lot tighter.


I'm curious about the posters who say 2BB/100 is a good return.

What limits is this at??? online or live?

Asking cos its pretty different to 7.5BB being a good return.

Also online limits don't seem to corrospond to live play. Where 3/6 in a casino plays like .50/1 online and 3/6 online is a tough game compared to 3/6 live.
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